准备开始当义工

QUOTE:

以下是引用无缺在2010/6/2 8:34:00的发言：

嘻嘻，灌到100 楼

今天带Ranger去溪流深度游，估计要是带迷你来，它会被淹死

准备开始当义工

准备开始当义工

准备开始当义工

准备开始当义工

准备开始当义工

QUOTE:

以下是引用hppeng在2010/6/2 6:44:00的发言：
>H版，请看长韁快步8字练习

我真羨慕你的 Mini 脾氣如此穩定.
HP

是的，初学长韁，Jose很幸运有稳定的迷你马练习，迷你步伐小，我可以从容紧跟，它的小快步正好是我们慢步的节奏。今天试了要求它跑起来，结果苦了Jose被拖着暴奔

准备开始当义工

准备开始当义工

QUOTE:

以下是引用hppeng在2010/6/2 6:44:00的发言：
我那小子三不五時就要給我一些危險動作, Rear, Kick, Buck.... 上週還被它踢了一腳, 還好踢到我的大腿而已, 傷不重...

我現在仍然留在簡單的 Trot Shoulder out, 並小心不要再被踢到.

HP

是滴，跟在大马PP后面，的确有恐惧感

 

不好意思，小弟又插一句逆耳话。展开"Long Rein"练习的基础是建立在马匹已接受了足够而熟练的"打圈"调教，并且是已能完全掌握和服从"声音提示"，否则；随便尝试"Long Rein"练习只会带来危险！强调一点，是在有压力下的练习，而不是沟通式的游戏调教，马匹是需要服从、而不光只是和人友好便足够！

以上言论只是小弟的个人观点；全出于想提配各位马友马匹调教是存在着一定的危险性，所以一些基本的条件和要求是必须具备的。若有任何用词不当；请各位见谅！

严重困惑中，到底哪种方法调教好啊，郁闷中

我今天给迷你打圈，正如B版讲的，迷你只有在我对它施加压力情况下才能够跑起来

H版强力推荐的《DON'T SHOOT THE DOG!>也已到手，书中教的增强式训练就是玩游戏

准备开始当义工

Hi Bee_kid,

Thank you for pointing out the safety concern. 100% on safety first.

>展开"Long Rein"练习的基础是建立在马匹已接受了足够而熟练的"打圈"调教，并且是已能完全掌握和服从"声音提示"，

Agree. My horse knows everything you said. He knows all the round penning work and voice command, too. He has no issue when the reins are around his hip. In a "well-known" environment, he long-reins like a champ. However, he has issues dealing with new stimulus, mainly new arena. I introduce long reining to work on his lateral movement, in the mean time trying to solve his spookiness.

FYI, there're advocates that talk about the "useless" of round penning work. I kind of agree with them.

>强调一点，是在有压力下的练习

Sorry, I do not agree with you on this one.  My point is education can be pressure free. In the world of free shaping and R+, pressure is out of the question. Just my opinion.

>马匹是需要服从、而不光只是和人友好便足够！

To me, real obedience comes from the "willingness and positive attitude to offer the expected behavior cued by the trainer". This can only happen when the animals figure out, without pressure, that doing the "expected behavior" earns them something good. On the contrary, if  it is because they want to "avoid" some negative feelings by offering the expected behavior, it may be the "obedience" for most of people, but not for me. It is not to say that I'm right while others are wrong. It is just to say I choose this route.

>马匹调教是存在着一定的危险性，所以一些基本的条件和要求是必须具备的

Yes.

Jose,

>严重困惑中，到底哪种方法调教好啊，郁闷中

It is your own choice.

>迷你只有在我对它施加压力情况下才能够跑起来

If time is a concern, yes, pressure is the quickest way. If you like something different, and have time, you can try the mimicking. The mimicking is not something you can achieve with just few weeks of work, especially for the canter. The horse would mimick the trot pretty quickly, as I have experienced. But for the canter, it is more work.

I'd suggest you read the book and figure out by yourself what you want to do. You can do R+ or you can do the NH. There's no right or wrong in the way of animal training. It is all very personal.

Here's one paragraph Karen wrote in her "Don't Shoot The Dog". I strongly agree with her because I've seen one with my own eyes, which is my horse.

==========

Because training with negative reinforcers or correction is the traditional and conventional system, the resulting fallout is extraordinarily obvious once you look for it......Go to any riding academay or horseback event, and ask yourself if the horses look cheerful. Most people, even professional equestrians, and even those who consider themselves to be modern and humane trainers, don't know what a happy-eyed horse looks like. They've never seen one.

==========

>书中教的增强式训练就是玩游戏

Not necessarily. It is a way of creative thought that help the trainer teaches the objects in the pressure-free and efficient way.

BTW, you must have the old revision. What year is your book?

Jose,

>严重困惑中，到底哪种方法调教好啊，郁闷中

It is your own choice.

Hi Jose 哥哥;

我 100% 认同 HP 版主的观点！调教马匹有很多种不同的方法，采用那一种全取决于个人的选择。当然，个人的性格、知识、经验、客观条件和马匹的性格都会有一定的影响因素！ 

QUOTE:

以下是引用hppeng在2010/6/4 6:00:00的发言：

Hi Bee_kid,

Thank you for pointing out the safety concern. 100% on safety first.

>展开"Long Rein"练习的基础是建立在马匹已接受了足够而熟练的"打圈"调教，并且是已能完全掌握和服从"声音提示"，

Agree. My horse knows everything you said. He knows all the round penning work and voice command, too. He has no issue when the reins are around his hip. In a "well-known" environment, he long-reins like a champ. However, he has issues dealing with new stimulus, mainly new arena. I introduce long reining to work on his lateral movement, in the mean time trying to solve his spookiness.

FYI, there're advocates that talk about the "useless" of round penning work. I kind of agree with them.

>强调一点，是在有压力下的练习

Sorry, I do not agree with you on this one.  My point is education can be pressure free. In the world of free shaping and R+, pressure is out of the question. Just my opinion.

>马匹是需要服从、而不光只是和人友好便足够！

To me, real obedience comes from the "willingness and positive attitude to offer the expected behavior cued by the trainer". This can only happen when the animals figure out, without pressure, that doing the "expected behavior" earns them something good. On the contrary, if  it is because they want to "avoid" some negative feelings by offering the expected behavior, it may be the "obedience" for most of people, but not for me. It is not to say that I'm right while others are wrong. It is just to say I choose this route.

>马匹调教是存在着一定的危险性，所以一些基本的条件和要求是必须具备的

Yes.

Hi HP兄；I'm 100%agree what you said and had tried some of them in my training work, it seem can help! The main point in my speech just a reminders to peoples whom interest in horse training must caution the crisis that they haven't imagine! Thus, must prepare themself in well！Otherwise, don't easy to try it!

Keep in touch! Bee.

受益，谢谢2位版主，Jose目前还在毁马阶段。

》It is just to say I choose this route.

H版，你选择这条路，上海北京都有铁粉了，哈哈

Jose哥哥, 严重警告！叫我Beely好了！！！ 什么"B版"? 难听死了！再这样叫就跟你过不去!

还有，我现在是属于越版跟帖；更加要低调点好!!!

Beely,

You are very welcome to join the discussion. 論壇不可僅有一家之言.

HP

Hi HP;

So do you, welcome to share your experience of Stable manage and Horse care with us in our zone!

那天去骑骑楼主的小马。。

欢迎楼上的小帅哥来长岛玩，小帅哥真酷

Jose今天开始驾车走路线练习