[原创]自然扶助的归纳与比较

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太厉害了！

---总有马友前仆后继地探索。

 

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        Mdiv0417 总结的非常认真。但是，图5 腰内（Haunches) 应该是肩向内（Shoulder in). h4v6sY

Two more question;

1)所以需要骑士的外方腿在肚带后、骨盆外倾给予指示。( It should be use the inside Seat Bone to drive and inside leg to protect the horse not fall in!)

2) Picture 4 should be Half Pass, not Leg Yielding.

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以下是引用bee_kid在2010/8/2 21:35:00的发言：

Two more question;

1)所以需要骑士的外方腿在肚带后、骨盆外倾给予指示。( It should be use the inside Seat Bone to drive and inside leg to protect the horse not fall in!)

2) Picture 4 should be Half Pass, not Leg Yielding.

Thanks for your suggestion. I totally agree that at all time the inside seat bone should bare more weight while the horse is cantering. However, in order to request the horse to transposition and shift its weight to the outside rear leg to initiate the canter, it is necessary to provide pressure onto its outside body, where the rider could squeeze his outside leg behind girth and shift his weight towards outside in the saddle. As soon as the horse responds to the aids and begins cantering on the correct lead, the rider should relax to enable following cues to be carried out.

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以下是引用bee_kid在2010/8/2 21:35:00的发言：

2) Picture 4 should be Half Pass, not Leg Yielding.

beely：我請教過一些專業前輩，書本上圖四「Leg Yielding」應該是完全正確的，煩請再三查核一下，以免廣大馬友混淆。有勞！[em49][em49][em49]

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Yes; I'm seem got a wrong understanding for the picture 4, sorry!

By the way, I'm not agree we should add the extra pressure or weight on the outside of the horse's body when his start the movement which leading with his insaide front leg, b/c at first, we should keep on our center line no matter how we use our seat bone to work. Second, outside leg behind the girth is encourage the horse to use their Heel Leg and inside leg on girth is remind the horse to keep on forward and don't be fall in. If we add the pressure on the outside when horse start moving to the opposite way it will caused the horse to off balance in the movement!

  

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以下是引用bee_kid在2010/8/2 21:35:00的发言：

Two more question;

1)所以需要骑士的外方腿在肚带后、骨盆外倾给予指示。( It should be use the inside Seat Bone to drive and inside leg to protect the horse not fall in!)

2) Picture 4 should be Half Pass, not Leg Yielding.

   首先,2) 已经不存在了。

    1）我看了前面讲的，应该是指跑步发进动作。需要骑士的外方腿在肚带后是对的，骨盆外倾给予指示是错误动作。骨盆外倾说明骑手的内方肩膀倾斜，内低外高。造成马匹重心偏离。

       bee_kid 讲的用内方坐骨是对的，但是，骑手的肩膀要平行。

       马术动作的扶助要领不是单独存在的或者单独发挥作用的，

       我认为Mdiv0417 总结的比较好,对初学的骑手帮助很大。可以让他们直观的、简单的对骑马有认识。例如：我们教初学者不能用缩短快步，伸长快步。只能告诉他们用慢点的快步，快点的快步。

     Mdiv0417是一个对马术专研的人，一看这些东西都是你自己的体会。非常好！

     我自己认为马术扶助动作（技术动作）有点象辩证法。例如：用脚让马慢一点，马的状态好时又要求你什么也不要做。哈哈，很有意思！

h4v6sY

坦白說, 我覺得輔助都是教會的. 同樣的輔助, 用在教育過程不同的馬, 結果完全不同.

曾有人嘗試完全不用腳輔助讓馬前進, 改變步伐, 經過適當的教育, 馬能夠完全依手勢行動. 也有人無疆做 Leg yield, Piaffe. 不勝枚舉.
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    曾有人嘗試完全不用腳輔助讓馬前進, 改變步伐, 經過適當的教育, 馬能夠完全依手勢行動. 也有人無疆做 Leg yield, Piaffe. 不勝枚舉.

   我认为你说的这叫表演马术,不叫竞技马术。

h4v6sY

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以下是引用bee_kid在2010/8/3 20:19:00的发言：

Yes; I'm seem got a wrong understanding for the picture 4, sorry!

By the way, I'm not agree we should add the extra pressure or weight on the outside of the horse's body when his start the movement which leading with his insaide front leg, b/c at first, we should keep on our center line no matter how we use our seat bone to work. Second, outside leg behind the girth is encourage the horse to use their Heel Leg and inside leg on girth is remind the horse to keep on forward and don't be fall in. If we add the pressure on the outside when horse start moving to the opposite way it will caused the horse to off balance in the movement!

  

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有勞bee_kid版主作詳細翻譯。拜託！[em49][em49][em49]

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首先在此感谢各位师友的阅读和意见回帖。感谢马友朋友的赞扬，不过我觉得写出体会与大家交流也是自我提高的过程，应该始终努力做到。

其次，我将自己回帖中英文的部分来翻译一下便于更多马友理解和提出看法。

"I totally agree that at all time the inside seat bone should bare more weight while the horse is cantering. However, in order to request the horse to transposition and shift its weight to the outside rear leg to initiate the canter, it is necessary to provide pressure onto its outside body, where the rider could squeeze his outside leg behind girth and shift his weight towards outside in the saddle. As soon as the horse responds to the aids and begins cantering on the correct lead, the rider should relax to enable following cues to be carried out."

我完全赞成在跑步过程中内方坐骨承受更多重量。但是，为了要求马匹向上变步为跑步，骑手有必要用外方腿在肚带后挤压、将体重稍向马鞍外侧转移，从而提供给马匹外方以压力，使它把全身重量都转移到外方后肢足以发起跑步动作。当这个扶助刚一起效，马匹开始正确领跑了，骑手就应该立即放松，以便实施后续的扶助。

非常不错！多谢前辈指点