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Jose,

You need to take a look of "loopy training", coined by Alex in ~2000. This will help you understand if a behavior is well trained or not.

HP

>十几圈后去掉打圈绳，迷你也没有跑走，我只用手势跟声音要求它，它照样围着我转，过地杆以获取奖励

Last time when I did my free jump exercise, a friend wants to try the same thing. She is a Nature Horsemanship person who trains her horse by "pressure" and "release of pressure". When she released her horse in the jump chute, her horse shows no willingness to go over the poles. She chased it through the chute and the horse did the jump. However, the horse ran away after the jump, unwilling to come back to her. Why? Why not? If you were a horse, would you be willing to come back to her and go through the chute again?

So do you see the difference now? In NH, we "make the horse do" and the horse will just do the minimum to "get by". In R+, we "let the horse do", we let it think what "earns it the reward" so it will offer the behaviors we want with high motivation and "it will want to do more". As I said, keep the motivation and enjoyment of the training is top priority. Without it, you're poisoning your training.

HP

回H版，迷迷糊糊有点明白，我现在是利用萝卜奖励它来增强跨地杆这个行为，

另想请教下Homogeneous chains跟Heterogeneous chains

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以下是引用hppeng在2010/6/8 8:32:00的发言：
Jose,

You need to take a look of "loopy training", coined by Alex in ~2000. This will help you understand if a behavior is well trained or not.

HP

明天去图书馆找找看

》If I ignore him for a while in the training session, he'll become frustrated for not getting my attention.

明白，Frustration就是一种惩罚

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以下是引用无缺在2010/6/8 8:19:00的发言：

Jose还没盖过这么高的楼，有点惧高啊

>另想请教下Homogeneous chains跟Heterogeneous chains

Sorry, I do not know these. Do you find something in the internet? Or in the book?

This is what I see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1348196/?page=1

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以下是引用JOSE在2010/6/8 7:28:00的发言：

很难相信吧，宾州的爱米希人地区，大街上跑的马车比汽车还多，拉车最好最快的是美国的快步马（Standardbred),那里的马具跟马都物超所值，也很吸引玩马车的长岛马人，我朋友去年在那里的骡马市场买到一匹$2000美元的7岁Standardbred， 比Ranger高大多了， Jose想下个月过去玩玩。

非常感谢JOSE，让人神往的地方~~~~~~~~

JOSE多带些照片回来~~~~~~~~

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以下是引用hppeng在2010/6/8 12:59:00的发言：

>另想请教下Homogeneous chains跟Heterogeneous chains

Sorry, I do not know these. Do you find something in the internet? Or in the book?

This is what I see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1348196/?page=1

是在网上看的，雾里云里的看不懂，貌似是讲训犬类等学习能力强的动物多半属于Heterogeneous chains，但马连续跳Grid等同类型障碍物，这种重复发生的同一行为属于Homogeneous chains。

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以下是引用JOSE在2010/6/8 10:27:00的发言：

明天去图书馆找找看

意料中哦，图书馆没有这类藏书，我要求图书馆购买Alexandra的这俩本书

	The Click That Teaches A Step-By-Step Guide in Pictures by Alexandra Kurland Your Clicker Training ABC
"The Click That Teaches: A Step-By-Step Guide in Pictures” is packed with over 600. photos This comprehensive training guide will take you from clicker basics to advanced training. Even if you are a novice handler, you’ll find these step-by-step lessons easy to follow. And for the experienced clicker trainer, you will enjoy finding the “clickable” moment in the training sequences. Develop your timing, develop your eye with these step-by-step lessons.

Jose,

I think "Don't Shoot the Dog" is still the BEST. After reading that, you can move on to see Alex's 2 books. Alex has many thoughts about how to train some horse-specific behaviors.

Don't forget to check out Karen Pryor's other books: "Reaching the Animals Minds", and "Lads Before The Wind".

Check out if Alex is to give a clinic in your place. She will come to CA this fall. I'll go to see her again.

HP

Jose，

可以告訴我這是那裡嗎？很羨慕。

为了虐待而娇养———残忍。

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以下是引用StephenL在2010/6/10 11:58:00的发言：

Jose，

可以告訴我這是那裡嗎？很羨慕。

在纽约长岛，欢迎来玩。

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以下是引用qingto2006在2010/6/10 21:15:00的发言：
为了虐待而娇养———残忍。

呵呵，Jose的确以毁马为骄傲，骑马这几年毁马无数，还要把毁马进行到底

我不知道大家对响片训练法的了解有多少? 阅读过H 版强力推荐的Karen Pryor的"Don't Shoot the Dog" 这本书没？此书里面指导我们的训练, 决不是虐待强迫的方式。正强化是互信的，我要学习的是怎样让小迷你心甘情愿的去做的。我现在是才开始接触响片调教，才模糊清楚Karen Pryor的塑形(Shaping)的十大定律。

但如何运用，实践累积经验是必须地，我现在是用胡萝卜做正增强物，小迷你已经明白响片声是我给予它奖励前的声音信号，已经建立相对兴奋的click and treat 条件反射，一个简单的动作，如教它低头，跨过地杆，20分钟内就可以训练成功，但每天要Jose 重复这种训练，Jose 可没有这闲情逸致，还是154楼说的对，毁马来得轻松自在

>但每天要Jose 重复这种训练，Jose 可没有这闲情逸致

Jose,

You can make a plan regarding to what you want to train. You can train shoulder out, shoulder in, leg yield, piaff, levade, ... all at liberty. Can you imagine a horse offering those behaviors free of human pressure? Since you know the rules of shaping, it is going to be very easy, especially when you got a well-tempered mini.

I trained my horse some lateral works, and some free jumping. I plan to train him more systematically in the jumping techniques. My priority is to keep him motivated, never force him into doing anything. The result is he enjoys the training sessions all the time. He offers more than I expect and I think he loves being together with me. He seems to take the cues as an opportunity to win reward rather than looking at me saying "oh crab, here he comes again?"

Have fun with your horse, and be safe.

HP

>为了虐待而娇养———残忍

R+ is never "残忍". It is a method that the trainer and the trainee (horse) can build trust and strong relationship. The trainer never force the horse to do anything. It is the horse that voluntarily offer some behaviors to gain the recognition/reinforcement  from the trainer. The bond between the two can be so strong that they find it so rewarding just by being together. The trainer look forward to seeing the horse while the horse longs to stay with the trainer.

On the other side of the spectrum, the pressure-based methods disrupt the trust and relationship by forcing the horse to do things it either does not want or does not understand. The horse is unwilling to stay with the trainer for it makes no sense for it to do that.

You'll never understand this if you never try.

By Karen Pryor, from "Don't Shoot The Dog".

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"(in training by positive reinforcement)The trainer is the source of interesting, exciting, rewarding, life-enhancing event for the subject, and the subject's responses are interesting and rewarding for the trainer, so they do become attached."

在正增強訓練中, 訓練員對受訓練對象來說, 是趣味, 興奮, 充滿獎勵感, 以及對生命提供活力的來源. 而受訓練者的反應, 也讓訓練員感到有趣, 充滿成就感. 因此, 彼此在心中會產生深深的聯繫感.

"A punished or correction-trained animal learns to give the minimum necessary in order to stay out of trouble. These learners are 'good solders': They do what they're told, and they never volunteer. Under this regimen, even if obedient, learners remain far more interested in their own doings and private life than in whatever you or any voice of authority might want. They're therefore not only vulnerable to distractions, they are hoping for distractions."

一個經由處罰或矯正方式訓練的動物學會的, 是僅僅提供最微小,不得不的反應, 來避免麻煩(處罰). 它们是良好的 "士兵", 它們作出人们命令的事. 但它們絕對不願主動去做. 在這種條件下, 就算它们十分服從, 它們對本身的利益與個體的生活需求, 遠超過你, 或是任何領導, 的要求. 它們不僅僅容易被外界雜物吸引而分心, 它們本身就是想要分心.
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